Hacked and destroyed

Shattered Men was originally founded on Oct 31, 1999. We had 990 members and over 40,000 messages when it was hacked into and destroyed. We will rise again
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Shatteredmen/

Needless to say, I was heartbroken but not defeated. We have lost a lot of valuable information andabout 40,000 messages from Oct 1, 1999 until this morning. We had 990members in SM and we will have to work to build this back up...but Istand FIRM on the Word of GOD and I will not be defeated. Remember,2,000 years ago satan thought he won when he saw the Son of God beingnailed to a cross. All the demons of hell were having a party for 3days...until one of them screamed....NOOOOOOOOOOO because the TOMBWAS EMPTY!!!!!We will rise again because Shattered Men did not belong to me...itbelongs to the LORD!I have noticed a couple of important dates. Shattered Men wasstarted on Oct 31, 1999, the anniversary of the incident that causedSM to be started many years later. I do not think that was acoincidence. Today is April 1, 2007....otherwise known as AprilFools Day....well this is not a coincidence either...for we knowsatan IS the FOOL!!!!satan was a fool when he tempted a group of people to sell theirbrother as a slave to Egypt We can see he was still a fool when hehad this man sent to prison for a rape he did not do because throughit all, this man trusted in the LIVING GOD. Through it all, he didnot doubt and because of this, GOD used this man to save anation...AND as a result...to save YOU and ME because it was throughthis man that our REDEEMER was born and our redemption was made bypossible.I KNOW without a doubt that our LORD is in control and I stand firmon that believe. I also know that if the person that deleted theseaccounts came to me and said "ken I have to tell you that I deletedyour groups but I need help...I want to know who Jesus is" I wouldhelp that person in a heart beat.Please, if you know anyone that was in the old group, please sendthem the link to http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Shatteredmen/

VAWA Violates the Civil Rights of 2,000 Americans Every Day

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Shattered Men is honored to be one of the organizations involved in this report. You can help strengthen this by joining the Shattered Men interactive group by clicking "join now" in the top right corner of this site:

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RADAR ALERT:
VAWA Violates the Civil Rights of 2,000 Americans Every Day
Equal protection under the law. Due process. Innocent until proven guilty.
Those principles, enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, are foundations of a free and just society. And those concepts are routinely violated every day by the Violence Against Women Act. Each and every day in the United States, over 2,000 Americans have their civil rights violated by VAWA.
These persons include over 750 male victims of severe partner assaults every day – who don’t seek service because they know they will be turned away. Or worse, they fear they will be accused of the very crime that they were just subjected to.
These persons include over 1,250 men – and sometimes women – who are evicted from their homes on the basis of a restraining order that does not even allege violence.
These persons include an uncounted number of persons accused of partner assault who are unfairly arrested as a result of mandatory arrest policies.
As a result, families are broken up and children are removed from their fathers.
In short, the Violence Against Women Act represents a grave threat to persons’ civil rights and to the family structure of America.
On March 20, 19 organizations around the country will be coming together to launch a major public education campaign. The five-week campaign will consist of a series of Special Reports that will document:
How VAWA harms families, children, men, and women
How VAWA programs discriminate against male victims
How restraining orders are widely abused
How mandatory-arrest policies violate basic principles of justice
How VAWA policies have biased the prosecution and adjudication of DV cases
For this Campaign to be successful, we will be calling on persons to pass along the Special Reports to media contacts, friends, and others. We would like to invite you to participate.
To make sure you get the vital Campaign information, please sign up for our E-lerts. It just takes a few seconds:
Go to http://www.mediaradar.org/.
Type in your email address in the E-lert box in the left hand column
Hit the Subscribe button.
Its that easy!
Its time to get the truth out about the Violence Against Women Act – how it shamelessly disregards civil liberties and routinely breaks up families – sign up for the E-lert list now!
Date of RADAR Release: March 12, 2006
R.A.D.A.R. – Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting – is a network of concerned men and women working to assure that the problem of domestic violence is treated in a balanced and effective manner. http://www.mediaradar.org/.

Domestic Violence Against Men Awareness Month

As most people know, there are laws prohibiting abuse of a spouse,or a child...but did you know that currently, battered MEN take aback seat? How can a tiny woman of her stature and her stance abuse you, a sixfoot, whatever, MAN? That question is one that curls my toes, andsprings me back to life, even on the most boring and mundane ofdays...because that little woman is USUALLY the very one that isfeared...accepted, protected, and regretfully allowed to abuse theman that was so willing to protect her in the beginning of arelationship, creating a bond that will be hard to sever no matterwhat she does to him in her anger. Today, in all of society, men are being abused, most are pushed bysociety to accept it, not speak of it, sweep it under the proverbialcarpet...some find advocacy, and support groups, and some still arereceiving harsh blows of "reality" from family court, justices, andjudges granting the WOMAN a restraint when it is the man that needsthem. Crying quietly and unseen in rooms locked against theseviolent onslaughts, because if they come out of them, they could befalsely accused, men are the usual suspect when 911 is dialed, menare arrested on sight. We implore that you get this out to every person you know...June isDomestic Violence Against Men Awareness Month In June, summer vacation starts for most children in the U.S. andabroad, statistics on child abuse, tend to spike during this time.Mother's are the current and prior, main perpetrator of abuse in theU.S. (According to the Department of Social and HealthServices)..while during this time, there is also a spike in denialof visitation throughout the land, for the statistic minority, thenon custodial father. There are those out there that say womenappear to abuse more often, because they are the primarycaretaker....hmmmm, wouldn't it make sense then to presume that bothmother and father have equal custody in every state? That wouldsurely lower those stats on abusive mothers perhaps?
In June, father's day comes and goes, usually with the averageparenting plan giving six to eight weeks in the summer, because momis custodial parent, and it is in the best interests of the childrento have stability in their lives...but, what if mom decides she doesnot want to share when dad's time comes around? If mom fails tobring the child to a pick up site or does not answer the door, candad call the authorities? No, that is a civil case. What if dadlives out of state? It is still a civil case. What does dad donow? He can file for a contempt hearing...although the SOONEST hecan get this heard is two weeks from the date of filing. Butwait....didn't it say that all parties are to use mediation to avoidcongesting the courts, in the parenting plan? Why yes, it did...toget a mediation hearing, the average wait time is threemonths...NINETY DAYS, the whole summer...and what if mom needs anattorney? They can continue, and continue and continue, until theschool year comes around...and oops, best interests of the childlaws say that Jr. should not be ripped out of his establishedroutine...sorry dad In June, an abusive parent's frustration rise, and they are givenfree reign to abuse...no school, no teachers to turn it in if theysuspect abuse. Hidden family secrets come out since children arenot able to tell anyone. Children are not going to say anythingabout mom tossing dad over a sofa or knocking him into a wall. InJune, the rate of abuse reporting takes a HUGE dip compared to theamount of abuse taking place. In June, this silent destroyer offamilies, is at its peak. In June, when men need us most, no one isaround to hear the cries,they are able to work more due to increaseddaylight. Production is high, but abusive women are still home,feeling the burden of their conscience, the burden of singleparenting during the day, and reflexively are abusing men more andmore and more along with their children. Please make June Domestic Violence Against Men Awareness Month Tami PeppermanKen Deemer Director Shattered Men

The Early Show and David Brame The Other Side

The Early Show on CBS had a segment on a new women's shelter createdafter a police chief murdered his wife and then took his own life.I am not sure of the actual situation in this case, but I do knowmany of these happen when one is falsely accused and are about tolose all they have. I sent this to the Early Show. (there isa "contact us" at the bottom of their web site:
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/earlyshow/main500202.shtml
I just saw your segment on domestic violence. Most all of what I seein the media is one sided. There are over 2,000 shelters for womenin the United States and every state has laws to protect women.There are only three shelters that will help men who are abused andnone of them can accept his children, yet men are abused at an equalrate as are women. Even according to the Department of Justice, 39%are men and that is with many men being arrested when they are thevictims. This of course would throw off any demographics so that iswhy I believe the real rate is equal.Many wanted to get Congress to change the Violence Against Women Actto a Domestic Violence Act which would give equal protection to bothmen and women and would hold each equally accountable for their ownactions. Many groups which state they want equal rights for womenwere violently opposed to this showing they do not want equality,they want superiority. To look at only one side of this issuebefore passing these types of laws is like asking the KKK to writeRacial Relationship laws.I contend that the VAWA is more about money then about real abuse.When we reward someone for being abused, we will find manymore "victims" We are told many myths regarding domestic violencesuch as more women go to the emergency room for domestic violencethen for rapes muggings and auto accidents combined. In reality,more go for dog bites then for domestic violence.The real rate of domestic violence is far far less then the numbersthese "advocates" state it is. Women and children are safest inintact homes when they are married.Why not get input from all sides? I also ask that why did the mediastop asking those that may oppose a viewpoint for their side of theissues?
We have written about murder/suicides. I firmly believe many ofthese are due to false accusations for which these men know theywill lose everything they had including their children with out dueprocess of law
I also believe that a police officer would know the deck is stackedagainst him although I am not saying this was the situation in thiscase.
Unless we look at both sides, more women will be harmed as well asmore men. Is it not time to Value ALL our people? Is it not time tohold each adult responsible and accountable for their own actionsinstead of allowing them to say someone made them do it?

A follow up on my message to you regarding Tacoma Tragedy Brings Hope For Others
You state: Last month their tireless efforts paid off. Congress passed legislation to increase police funding for domestic violence programs.
Can you tell me how this is different then the billion dollars a year we have been spending for the last ten years to protect half the victims of violence while arresting the other half?
http://www.shatterdmen.com/VAWA%20too.htm
Accusations of abuse are common in a pending divorce and it is not hard to find a friend to go along with these accusations. There are NO reports of domestic violence at all in his court files...NOTHING even though a searched back to 1980 was done, nor were there any criminal or civil charges , nothing EXCEPT the divorce proceedings and the woman's allegations, but nothing to back them up in any way, shape or form
There is NO history of violence, or restraining orders that is documented in any way
03-3-00358-5 Brame, David Allen 02-24-03 RespondentDissolution with Children (DIC)
wife filed divorce in 2003
From the Seattle Post-Intelligencer
The bloodshed came a day after the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported that documents in the couple's divorce case revealed a history of domestic violence. Crystal accused her husband of pointing his gun at her, trying to choke her in November and saying he "could snap my neck if he wanted to."
It was the fourth time in 2002 that he had tried to choke her, she said, noting that each time he had sent her flowers to apologize.
David Brame claimed he had been victimized in the relationship. He accused his wife of having a "ferocious temper" and being emotionally unstable (for which nothing was done, no one looked into her history)so the "neighbor" who saw it has been tampered with since that same neighbor did NOT come forward AT THAT TIME, but the ex sure did say that about the gun....Since Mr Brame was a police officer, this would have meant he would have lost everything due to these false accusations. It has been enough motive for murder/suicide in the past and it will be again far too often in the future unless we offer men the SAME protection we offer women for abuse. It would also mean he knew far too well what the results would be for any man accused of domestic abuse with or without any evidence to back it up.
It just may be time to do some REAL investigative reporting instead looking at only ONE side. You may want to start with the other side of the story and we will make it easy for you.
http://sillyseattle.blogspot.com/2005/01/blaming-brame.html
We often hear that reports like this state: We tried to contact the other side but they would not respond so we ask, will you respond to this information?

From the Shattered Men Guest Book

I just wanted to say how wonderful I think it is that I have finally found a league of CHRISTIAN Anti-Feminists! Because Christians, of course, know much more about the oppressions of women and have a greater right to make the claims they do... right? Using the Bible to back you up really makes it so much more legitimate. But I believe I diverge...where was I? Oh, yes: You have distorted the words of the Bible and the teachings of Christianity to suit your own perverted interests. You're basing your beliefs on women (and your entire faith) on words that were written thousands of years ago, some lost, some replaced, with the entire work translated and mistranslated. And, of course, placing the word "Christian" in front of "Feminists" is completely out of the question, but putting "Christian" in front of "Anti-Feminists" is totally understandable. Why, may I venture to ask, is it necessary to be "Christian" Anti-Feminists? By stating your religion in front of your political beliefs, aren't you simply trying to defend yourselves? Why not just be "Anti-Feminists" and stop hiding behind that untouchable religious epithet? Using the Bible to justify your believes of pro-oppression and degradation of women are perhaps, to religious zealots such as yourselves, sins in themselves, no? But I go to far. We must recall another issue in American history in which our actions were justified by the Bible... what was that? Oh, yes: it was slavery. I will not compare the horrific imprisonment of the black man (isn't that funny, how I wrote "man"? why not "people"? or "women"?) to that of women, but the suffering and oppression are present in both. But, as we recall, this is not a group of "Christian Racists"! I do believe that every man (and I use man, because that is the word which will probably get through to you) is entitled to his own opinion, but you cannot say that women have experienced no form of oppression. For the first time in all of human history, the tides are actually turned in FAVOR of women! The "Christian" Anti-Feminists seem to be no more than a counterculture in our society. How sad, that you men are feeling insecure (goodness no!) and have to protect your masculinity by insulting women. How disgusting, that women have been brainwashed to relinquish their own self-worth! To all of the women in this "club," you are capable of your OWN thoughts, are you not? Why do you allow men to tell you that the fight for your rights is pointless? Do you want to be domestic slaves? You're pushing back the progression of mankind! Can't you see how far we've (and I mean as a human race, not gender) have come?- do you exercise the right to vote? were you allowed to marry whom you loved? are you against the use birth of control? against a woman's right to divorce? against protection from harassment and rape? the right to an education? If so, then I have erred in my epistle: you ARE right in refuting your own femininity, but if not, perhaps you need to consider your place as a woman once more.


This person sent me an e-mail and then posted her e-mail in our guest book

Sir,

What, if you please, is your definition of "feminist?"

I checked, dear sir, and in our English language, it is the "social, political, and economic equality of the sexes." What's wrong with that? Could it be that you're discriminating against an entire gender based on the stereotypical bleeding-heart-bra-burning feminist? Of course there are women who feel themselves to be better, rather than equal, to men, who carry out their beliefs to the extreme and earn the censure from those who they are trying to defend. I do not support that kind of feminism. In fact, I was quite indifferent to the rights of women and their place in the social ladder until I saw your site (how comical!). But are women not PEOPLE?

Would you give a dog the right to vote before you gave it to a woman? How would you feel, sir, if you were the one forced to stay home and be subservient to your spouse, unable to hold your own rights or even speak out for yourself? Why are women not allowed to be as smart as men? Were we not born with brains or feelings? It's funny how we've gotten on the topic of racism... perhaps it IS better to be a Christian Racist then a Christian AntiFeminist. Really, is there a difference between them? When one chooses to discriminate against another group, are the feelings not the same? African-Americans have had more freedom than women anyway (don't you recall that ex-slaves were given the right to vote before women? why is it that black men can play the President in movies but women don't?).

But please, this is not a fight against African-Americans, who deserve no further torment than what they've already endured. And please, sir, how terribly narrow-minded and irrelevant was your comment about Wicca! That has nothing to do with the fact that it is a Feminist Group. Religion and politics should never have been intertwined in your argument to begin with. Perhaps there are Wiccan anti-feminists also! Goodness, what would we do about that! Would they be in the right because they too are anti- female?Many of the entries I have read in your guest book are from men who had a bad experience with ONE woman. I DO pity those men (those who deserve pity, anyway), as I would pity anyone who has suffered. Yes, if I was a man and my wife put me through a terrible divorce, I would rightly loathe everything about her. But that does not give me the right to hate (perhaps not hate, but rather discriminate against) all women everywhere! I don't like to use the Bible to justify my actions; I am a free human being capable of my OWN thought, thank you. But I see you are a religious man, sir, so I present you with some intellectual food for your own mind: Was not Jesus born of Mary? How could MAN exist at all, without Woman to bear children?

Allow me to present the following:

Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."No?

I have more:Acts 9:36, 18:24-26, 21:9
Romans 16:1, 16:3, 16:7
1 Corinthians 16:3
Philippians 4:2
Philemon 2

Have you ever read for YOURSELF "The Feminine Mystique?" "The Second Sex?" Can I go so far as to recommend "Jane Eyre," which talks about religion AND "feminism?" They are not insane female-domination texts, but are good pieces of literature. Perhaps you know of some anti-feminists works you can recommend to me? I don't want to be unfair.Are you, yourself, a heterosexual, sir?

I imagine you must be, as Christians also condemn the homosexuals (who've been around longer than Christianity has, by the way). Is it possible that you have a wife? How provoking it would be to meet the lady! I can only imagine what your engagement was like: "Woman, will you marry me, so I can preach to you your own worthlessness, force myself upon you every night, and proclaim the righteousness which is Man?" "Of course, darling."

But I apologize. The point of this letter was not, as I have made it, to criticize you as a person; no, that was honestly not my intention- please pardon me. (I apologize once more for my prolificacy, its not so much that I'm trying to outdo you as it is that I do like to write.) But are there any women in this group? I would desperately like to hear their voices (if they're allowed to speak, that is).As I have stated, I am not against the Shattered Men, whom I feel deserve sympathy, as any suffering creature should.

But, sir, if you have managed to read this far, I feel you are being unjust in preventing the progression of Women. I am flattered, confused, annoyed, and exhausted by your invitations to join your clubs, but, for the reasons described above, I humbly decline. Your faithful servant in all that is right,KMV


Since she chose the guest book as a forum to get her message across, I posted this to reply to her:


Since "A Final Rebutal from A Christian Woman" chose this forum to get her message across, I am posting my reply to her here since she has chosen not to join either group to see what they are all about. Most of her questions would have been answered in them. I have had most of my post deleted from feminist forums but we will not delete theirs from ours...TRUTH HAS NOTHING TO HIDE!

Well Kristen...it seems you are doing the very samething you are accusing us of doing but since you are afeminist, I guess that is ok?

You are sterotyping all those that oppose the feminist agenda from just me? Many oppose this feminist agenda from Concerned Women for Americal to the IndependantWomen's Forum. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/christianantifeminists/messages/1 will give a list of the first messages in this group.

Look at #4 to see why it was started. Of course almost any generalization will have exceptions.

We often hear sugar is white, but we do have brown sugar too..but in general, sugar IS white. In general, the feminist movement is far from wanting equality. Just check out the NOW web site. They have a war on fathers and they are trying to tell society that ONLY reason fathers want custody of their children after a divorce is so they can keep abusing them. This is what you call equality?

NO fathers rights movement that I am aware of wants the tables turned completely. We are all asking for the EQUAL rights the feminist CLAIM they wanted in the first place...EQUAL custody!

Shattered Men is needed because the NATIONAL ORGANIZATION of WOMEN wrote and pushed through theViolence Against WOMEN Act and they fought tooth and nail to keep it limited to protecting women ONLY.

They not only could care less about violent women, they encourage it if the victim is a man.

ShatteredMen would not even be here if it was not for a wonderful woman in England asking about her abusive MOM and she was told many MANY feminist groups that there were NO violent women. She did her own researchand made a web site which changed my mind about thefeminist.

I USE to be one until GOD opened my eyes through Sue. I am doing research on a paper I am writting and it is amazing the lengths feminist will go through to rewrite the Bible because they say it was written by MEN so it is not valid...thus denying the GOD of the BIBLE and the inerrant word of GOD.

You ask I asked about the about the difference between a Christian racist and a Christian antifeminist.

Read it again...it is the Racist and the feminist that are so much alike. I ask what you would think of a Christian racist. Would you be against that idealogy?

It is no different between being a racist and a feminist....or a masculist.

ALL would be wrong as each seeks special favors for their group apart from all other. You ask..."How would you feel, sir, if you were the one forced to stay home and be subservient to your spouse, unable to hold your own rights or even speak out for yourself? Why are women not allowed to be as smart as men?"

WHERE in the world did you get that from ANYTHING we have written?
Check out the following messages at least on this page:

http://www.shatterdmen.com/kensPage.htm

19: MARRIAGE...HIS DUTIES....HER DUTIES
139: The Value of a man,...or a Woman
165: Personal Responsibility!

Note at the TOP of this page...and it is at the top ofEVERY page on this web site:How to have eternal life You know, I could not even find salvation talked about in Christian feminist.

I did find several false statements like both Christians AND NON Christians will be in heaven...it was NOT contested by ANYONE on that forum.

Wicca is a feminist religion..it is based upon a goddest.

You said: "Would they be in the right because they too are anti- female?"

Kristen... an anti FEMINIST is NOT...NOT...NOT anti FEMALE!!!!

If anything a feminist is anti female because they do not hold women equally ACCOUNTABLE or RESPONSIBLE for their OWN actions.

They find excuses as to why women commit crimes and they deny that women can be and are violent. If you do not hold someone accountable, you are treating them as a child. Does that show respect for them?

I did find a lot of evidence that FEMINIST was far more important then...CHRISTIAN.

Yes some men are angry at their spouse for their abuse but I do find far fewer men that are angry at ALLwomen for what ONE or even a handful have done then I find women angry at ALL men for what one has done.

Shattered Men has BOTH men and women in it and many of each have been abused by the other gender but I do not think you bothered to find that out did you?

You see...WE will not deny that both hurt. I have seen several forums to help abused women that would not even give an abused man the time of day.

WE will NOTdo that!

I find many of the things you have said in this as STRAW MAN agruments....meant to throw one off track. I sent these inviations to you to allow you to post these charges in these groups.

I have been CENSORED in every feminist forum I have been in...WE do not censore things that oppose us..for TRUTH HAS NOTHINGTO HIDE!

In short Kristen...try to find out what we are about before jumping to conclusions.ken

Kristen, Please join us and find out what we are about. We have used "Christian antifeminist" as a direct result of being banned from Christian Feminist. It is odd you talk about slavery since that would be like saying there can be a Christian RACIST. Would it not be better to be against the ideals of racism? Most of the feminist I have seen do not want equality. They want women to rule. Many of the feminist I know want to worship a goddest. I have even seen postive things posted about Wicca in a Christian Feminist group that went unopposed by anyone. I guess that is ok Shattered Men is a group that exist because of the double standards the feminist set up...but please know..we do not oppose any person...just the false ideal that women are the same as men.

Kristen You are welcome to join both Shattered Men and Christian Antifeminst and you can post the message you left in our guest book in both places. I assure you, it will be approved.

F4J

Father's for Justice (F4J) has been accused of a plot to kidnap Tony Blair's son.

That's what the BBC is currently broadcasting to the world: that this`fathers' advocacy group' made an attempt to snatch the young son ofthe British PM back around Christmas time.They include a decent disclaimer clip from Matt O'Connor, attestingthat F4J's whole aim is to keep and re-unite fathers with theirchildren, and never to separate them

F4J is the group that has been having Super Heros like Spiderman, Batman and Robin doing stunts to bring to light the injustice done to fathers.

Trish Wilson is a radical feminist and needless to say, Trish Wilson has got this going on her blog and she is playing it up for all it is worth. I posted this on her blog: (wonder how long it will stay there?)

Trish,

Just when we thought you could not sink to a new low, you have.

It appears that anytime a MAN is accused of a crime, he HAS to be guilty. He is not to have his day in court is he?

However anytime a woman commits a crime, there has to be reasons she is not guilty...most often because a MAN made her do it.

I thought that you thought that women were smarter then that? I guess I was wrong.

I thought feminist wanted EQUALITY but that is clearly not the case is it Trish...they want SUPERIORITY.

Absolutely nothing can please you. If a man has little to do with his children, he is lazy and a deadbeat. If men want to be included, they are only doing it so they can keep on abusing them...right Trish?


Well Trish, since women do most of all child abuse, then would it not stand to reason they want custody so they can keep abusing them?

Why do you think it only works one way?

What happened to the EQUALITY you always say you want?

Trish, are you going to apologize when it comes to light that F4J never intended to kidnap anyone?

There is no better way to discredit a group that is really seeking equality then to accuse them of something like this. It happened in German before WW Two also.

No wonder a certain term for feminist has become popular.

Humpty Dumpty

Humpty Dumpty


Many of us, when going shopping for groceries need to get eggs. I
know by watching people when they are getting eggs, will most often
open each cartoon and look at each egg. They will then either put
that carton in their cart, or back in the bin with the eggs and look
at another carton. Of course, we know they are looking for broken
eggs. This reminds me of something.

We all know that poem....

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses,
And all the king's men,
Couldn't put Humpty together again.

Most of us have dropped an egg before. We know that it SHATTERS.

Many of us have seen what happens when a hard object hits our window
be it in our home or our car. The window also shatters.

When something is shattered, it can not serve its intended purpose.
For material things, it may be a simple matter of replacing the
object, but what if the shattered object is not inanimate?

We have seen animals that had been abused. They do not trust humans.
They will flee from them as a means of self preservation even if it
means fleeing from one that would adopt them and love and care for
them.

Now, what if the Shattered thing....is HUMAN?

Last Sunday in our chat, we did have a shattered person attend. She
made it known to me that she would do her best to make sure we did
not invite her again, that she would do her best to prove us wrong
that we could not love HER .......unconditionally.

God put those in that chat that needed to be there. Those that could
love unconditionally, those that although they did not say much,
prayed much. As a result, our new friend found out she was wrong. Not
only did we show love but the very next day, several of those in the
chat met this precious woman in chat again. At first she could not
remember where she knew any of us from as all hell was trying to make
her forget, but all heaven was reminding her of this all to rare
commodity...UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.... and we could see the shell
breaking.

We also talked to a small child who was told that Jesus hated
children and would hurt them. You see, satan will tell us anything to
keep us from knowing the real Jesus. He tells us that God is always
waiting for us to do something wrong so He can punish us, that He can
not love us until we clean up and make ourselves presentable to HIM.
Well my friend, we can NEVER make ourselves presentable to God. HE
tells us to come...just as we are!

But back to Beth...Beth did not want to meet Jesus as she was afraid
of Him. Therefore I changed the picture in one of my groups to this...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/christianantifeminists/

I wanted her to see the real Jesus. A man that really loves children.

A few moments later, Beth asked Jesus to save her. Teri did a short
time later.

What does all this have to do with Humpty Dumpty?

Well, we have all been Shattered in one way or another. Most of those
in my major group have been Shattered to a point they can not serve
their purpose BUT lets look at the poem again...

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses,
And all the king's men,
Couldn't put Humpty together again.

Often the wall we sit on is a wall of pride. A wall that we can do it
OUR way...that we do not need anyone else and especially not God

Proverbs 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well
advised is wisdom.

Proverbs 30:33 Surely the churning of milk bringeth forth butter, and
the wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood: so the forcing of
wrath bringeth forth strife.

When this happens, we will fall.

Pr 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before
a fall.

Often we insist on proven ourselves right no matter what it cost and
often the cost is more Shattered lives.

1 Corinthians 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you,
because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take
wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

When this happens, we often go to all the wrong people to get help.
We go to all the kings horses and all the kings men. We go to
friends, neighbors, counselors, doctors, ministers, priest but NONE
Of these will work.....unless we go to the KING.

You see my friend, that is the one thing missing in this poem. Humpty
did not go to the KING. Oh God often uses His people to help mend
Shattered men and Shattered women. We are told that when HE mends us,
we are then to go help mend others.

2 Corinthians 1
3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the
Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to
comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we
ourselves are comforted of God.

My friend, do you have a Shattered heart? Shattered dreams, Shattered
relationships? You many even have a Shattered body from wrong
choices. Come to JESUS today my friend.

http://www.shatterdmen.com/first_step.htm

Jesus is waiting...waiting....for YOU!



Come just as you are.

Hear the Spirit call.

Come just as you are.

Come and see,

Come receive,

Come and live forever!


Life everlasting;

Strength for today;

Taste the living water

and never thirst again!

The Sign!

The Sign!

(see the sign here:) http://www.shatterdmen.com/Sign.htm

The sign above was made by brother in law used a router. This was about 6 months after Shattered Men was founded. At that time, my wife as not as supportive and we had a major argument. My wife was doing yard work and was burning twigs and leaves in the yard (we have 5 acres so there were a lot of it) You guessed it. I got mad and threw that sign in the fire. There were actual flames all around it. I left that sign there for a couple of hours. It was still there...just like the three Hebrew Children in the furnace except this sign was slightly charred...just enough evidence that it was in the fire...but it was INTACT.

That was on a Sunday and we had chat on that night. I was to lead it. I started out saying that I did not want to be there BUT.... Then explained what happened...and believe me...GOD got my attention regarding Shattered Men. He let me know
with that sign which should have ignited within moments, that Shattered Men was NOT mine...it was HIS!

I did confess in chat that night that I sinned against GOD, and I sinned against my wife and my brother in law. I also told them that I knew that the gates of hell would not prevail against this ministry...GOD's ministry.

Since this time, Shattered Men has been under attack many times. Some have sought to water it down. Some wanted it to be "less Christian" Others wanted it to be gender neutral. It was the ladies in Shattered Men that replied to hold the line...to keep it focused on men. These precious ladies posted on the message board that they...the women did have other places to get help, but the men would have no where to go at least from a Biblical prospective. Some have sought to even destroy it. Several have come to chat to proclaim this aim. Most of these are now serving the LORD. One hacker contacted me to tell me she was offered money to hack into my pc to destroy it and wanted to know if I would "up the offer" and she would destroy the pc of those who wanted mine destroyed. I told her that even if she offered to do it for free, I would say NO....Vengeance belongs to GOD and IF HE wanted their pc destroyed, HE could do it without my help.

The Bible tells us that when we do things HIS way, it will seldom be popular. I have found that even in our churches, talking about any abuse is taboo. Talking about men is just about treated as a cardinal sin.

How can you help?

1: PRAY for this ministry and it's leaders. We need prayer warriors that will intercede for this ministry and those that need it more then anything else.

2: JOIN Shattered Men. One need not have been abused to be a member of this ministry. One only needs to care about those that were. Normally I would say that "numbers" in our Christian groups are not as important as substance. Numbers are however more important to this ministry because the more that are members, the more it does show that the problem exist and that people care.

3: TELL others about this ministry. We can not help those that do not know about it. My friend, well over a dozen men and women are alive today because they found....Shattered Men. Help us keep more alive because they find that someone...DOES care about them. We have business cards available on this site which you can print off (on cardboard stock) and cut out to hand out to your pastor and others to inform them about Shattered Men. You can also IM or e-mail someone that you think needs this ministry and tell them about it. Just use this link: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/shattterdmen/ and tell them to click "join now" in the top right corner. If you are not a member, we would love for you to do this now too. It is an active group so we do suggest electing "no e-mail" when given the option and then going to the group to read the messages.

Again, you need not have been abused, to be a part. Just caring about those who have been is enough.

4: WRITE: Write to your Senator, Representative (both national and state) and inform them you do want equal justice and that there is no help for half the victims of abuse. Write a letter to the editor of your newspaper whenever you see a one sided story on these issues and ask that they do ask the other side for their input on it.

5: REFER: If someone (man or woman) talks to you saying they were or are being abused, Listen to them, validate them and then refer them to Shattered Men.

6: PRAY Yes, I know that was the number one answer but I have repeated it BECAUSE...it IS the NUMBER ONE NEED!